[packman] gstreamer010-plugins-base problem (was: Re: gstreamer010-plugins-ugly on 11.0/x86_64 broken?)

[Toni]

Am Donnerstag, 11. September 2008 schrieb Andrés G. Aragoneses:
> BTW, now I have the problem fixed, although I would like to contribute
> something upstream in order to avoid the same problem for people in the
> future.
Fine! 

> I discovered the issue because:
>
> - To remind you: christine was working perfectly when playing MP3, but
> totem and Banshee not.
> - I contacted christine-devel list, and they gave me some hints. It
> turns out christine allows you to select the audiosink used when using
> gstreamer. It was configured by default to use autoaudiosink. Changing
> it to alsasink or esdsink didn't change anything (it still worked), but
> changing it to gconfaudiosink it made it crash (remember: totem didn't
> crash but played no sound, although the pretty "music" visualization
> worked; and Banshee didn't worked, it jumped to the next song).
> - I looked for more info on audiosinks and found this bug which had very
> useful information:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230419
> - This made me discover that my problems get fixed when going to Gnome
> Control Center -> System -> Sound, and selecting there "Autodetect"
> instead of "Default (Custom)".
>
> So my questions are:
> a) We should have a way to detect this situation in all the players,
> right? Is this feasible?
the most programs have configure options, and as long a human can fiddle 
around here, those errors jump up.

> b) We should change the default setting of distros to be "Autodetect"
> instead of "Default (Custom)", right?
yes, but as programs are installed system-wide it is the users responsibility 
to configure the programs correctly. We as packagers, tweak/modify only 
the "master" config files (going to /etc) to match the distibution specific 
parts.
Otherwise we would need wrapper scripts for all those programs to check the 
actual configuration files and try to modify them. And I think, if we would 
do so, we have a lot of trouble with other users because we tweak their 
setups.
A possible solution could be: if you send me over your local config-files I 
could package it as a additional doc into the packman packages (e.g. 
openSuSE-sample-config-christine etc ...). A better option: upstream should 
add it to there tar-balls.

> c) Anyway, I guess that my problem with "Default (Custom)" is still a
> bug, right? But where is the bug?:
> * Packman packaging?
> * GStreamer?
> * Pulseaudio/alsa/...?
> * All the players?
> * Other?
you should post your experience in the related wikis and/or 
user-documentations of those programs. If this behaviour is documented it 
could be solved easy for others users (if they read the docs ...)

> What do you think about a) and b)? Should we open bugs for them? And how
> can I debug the c) issue?
As I don't use a gnome desktop I can't help you here. You're right: a program 
should not segfault with a wrong setup. So the authors should improve the 
programs to avoid such crashes. But a author can't test all possible 
configurations, so the users must jump in and deliver bug-reports etc (like 
you did already). IMHO this is the only possibility to improve those 
programs.

> Thanks,
>
> 	Andrés
>
> Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote:
> > Toni wrote:
> >> Am Donnerstag, 11. September 2008 schrieb Andrés G. Aragoneses:
> >>> Toni wrote:
> >>>> Am Dienstag, 9. September 2008 schrieb Andrés G. Aragoneses:
> >>>>> Investigating more about this issue I'm having, I have reached a
> >>>>> point where maybe I have found a problem in a packman package:
> >>>>> gstreamer010-plugins-base, because I've downloaded totem's SVN
> >>>>> version, and when running ./autogen.sh I get the following error:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> configure: error:
> >>>>> 	Cannot find required GStreamer-0.10 plugin 'playbin'.				It should
> >>>>> be part of gst-plugins-base. Please install it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I have the package "gstramer-0_10-plugins-base
> >>>>> 0.10.20-42.pm.1 (x86_64)" already installed successfully in my system
> >>>>> (I have already tried to reinstall it).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any ideas about this problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> we use the packman packages to compile and build all other packages...
> >>>> so the plugin is not missing :)
> >>>> a simple rpm -ql or a webpin playbin shows you that it is part of the
> >>>> package.
> >>>
> >>> Ok, the plugin is there, what's not there is, actually, the tool to
> >>> inspect plugins: gst-inspect010. Do you know why I am lacking this?
> >>> I'll contribute a patch to totem's configure.in file to check for this.
> >>
> >> again: use webpin to lok-up programs/packages:
> >>
> >> webpin gst-inspect
> >>    10 results (5 packages) found for "gst-inspect" in openSUSE_103
> >> * gstreamer010: Streaming-Media Framework Runtime
> >>    - 0.10.13 [suse-oss]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect
> >>
> >>    - 0.10.14 [BS::home:/luneo7]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect
> >>
> >> * gstreamer-0_10-debuginfo: Debug information for package gstreamer-0_10
> >>    - 0.10.20 [packman]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/gst-inspect-0.10.debug
> >>
> >> * gstreamer-0_10-utils: Streaming-Media Framework Runtime
> >>    - 0.10.20 [packman | BS::home:/FunkyPenguin:/Cheese]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect-0.10
> >>
> >>    - 0.10.19 [BS::GNOME:/STABLE]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect-0.10
> >>
> >> * gstreamer-utils: Streaming-Media Framework Runtime
> >>    - 0.10.20 [packman | BS::home:/FunkyPenguin:/Cheese]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect
> >>
> >>    - 0.10.19 [BS::GNOME:/STABLE]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/bin/gst-inspect
> >>
> >> * gstreamer010-debuginfo: Debug information for package gstreamer010
> >>    - 0.10.14 [BS::home:/luneo7]
> >>
> >>      >> /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/gst-inspect-0.10.debug
> >>
> >> so you need gstreamer-0_10-utils package.
> >>
> >> webpin is also available online:
> >> http://packages.opensuse-community.org/
> >
> > I thought webpin was *only* available online, thanks, this is cool.
> >
> > I've submitted a patch:
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551774
> >
> > 	Andrés
> >
> > --
>
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Toni