[packman] kaffeine for KDE 4

todd rme toddrme2178 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 1 23:38:11 CET 2011

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Manfred Tremmel <manfred at links2linux.de> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 1. März 2011 schrieb todd rme:
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Manfred Tremmel
> <manfred at links2linux.de> wrote:
>> > Am Montag, 28. Februar 2011 schrieb todd rme:
>> >> KDE 4 has been out for a while now.  Perhaps now would be a good
>> >> time to reverse the kaffeine program names, that is change
>> >> kde4-kaffeine to kaffeine and change kaffeine to kde3-kaffeine.
>> >
>> > The package itselve is build as kde3-kaffeine (kde3) and kaffeine
>> > (kde4) when you use openSUSE >= 11.2 (when kde4 in openSUSE gets
>> > useable). It doesn't matter what name the Project on the OBS or the
>> > Website.
>> But since things are being reworked, perhaps it is a good time to
>>  make the OBS naming the same as the package naming.
>> There is only openSUSE >= 11.2 now anyways, since openSUSE 11.1
>> support has been discontinued by both openSUSE and packman.
> It isn't removed, it lives on as Evergreen_11.1

Only essentials is currently being built for evergreen.

>> >>  Or perhaps just get rid of the KDE 3 version entirely.
>> >
>> > When the KDE4 version has nearly the same features, the window can
>> > be reduced to a acceptable size (it's much to wide in the minmum
>> > size) and the users do not ask for the kde3 version.
>> The KDE 3 version is being packaged by KDE:KDE3, so it is still
>> available.  People who want KDE3 applications can get them from
>>  there. It doesn't look like the KDE 3 version is being updated
>>  anymore.
> And when someone decided to put it on OBS, we have to remove it?
> Maybe we can make a application form where packman can ask for the
> allowance to build a package.

I thought one of the goals of this transition was to remove at least
some of the packages that are duplicated in the main OBS repo.  This
is a clear example where that is the case.

>> >> Is there a reason kaffeine even needs to be in there, since it is
>> >> already available directly from openSUSE?
>> >
>> > openSUSE 11.1 had no kde4 kaffeine
>> > openSUSE 11.2 was shipped with 1.0pre2, I wouldn't call this
>> > version useable
>> > openSUSE 11.3 included 1.0pre3, isn't this reason enought for a
>> > update?
>> >
>> > so 11.4 is the only openSUSE we can discous about the need of a
>> > packman package.
>> As I mentioned, 11.1 support is discontinued by packman so it isn't
>> relevant.  For the rest, the most recent version of kaffeine is
>> available from KDE:UpdatedApps.  This is the standard location for
>> updated versions of 3rd-party KDE applications like kaffeine and
>> amarok.  Anyone who wants updated versions of KDE applications,
>> including kaffeine, can get them from there.  Anyone who doesn't want
>> updated versions probably wouldn't appreciate packman updating the
>> application for them.
> Nobody who adds the packman repository must update any programm we
> provide. It's protected by vendor change.

I still don't see the benefit.  People who want updated apps can get
them easily from KDE:UpdatedApps, which is the official source for
updated KDE applications and is maintained by the openSUSE KDE
project.  People who don't want an update won't use the packman
version anyway.  So what is the benefit to duplicating this one
particular package in packman?


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